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alienfox has all the best anecdotes.
apiphile wrote in metaquotes
Some guy in the toilets at a pub, under the mistaken assumption that he's being witty, giving my make-up a disconcerting look:

"Oi, mate. You're in the wrong toilets."

Foxy, dick in hand, miniskirt hitched up, while simultaneously pissing and applying lipstick:

"So are you. The disabled one is just next door."

Context, unlike clubbers, knows to never anger a drag queen.

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A fair number of them I'm sure. So-so funny remark, but not all that keen on idiot = disabled comparison. Last I heard stupid didn't count as a disability.

Last time I checked, being stupid was more of a disability than things that society considers 'disabilities' these days.

Mind explaining what you mean by disabilities in the quotations? I hope you're not intending that to be as condescending as it seems.

I highly doubt you're in any real position to discern the extent of a person's disability and how it effects their daily lives - where as people who've been declared disabled by the state (at least in the US) have to go through a pretty rigorous medical screening including medical history from their primary doctors and specialists and often a screening by a doctor in the employ of the state.

No, I was not intending to be condescending in that manner; just saying that many people that able bodied people do look down on have a lot more power and don't deserve to be called 'disabled' because they end up managing fairly well (through, what I imagine to be, great will power of their own).

So yes, I was being condescending, but it was the over the definition of disabled. I feel that stupid people such as the ignorant bloke from the OP should be called disabled and that people who happen to need the assistance of a wheel chair, etc, should not be.

Edited at 2007-12-10 12:05 am (UTC)

I don't think stupid people need a new description - stupid, close-minded, bigot tends to convey enough negativity to me.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think a lot of disabled people mind the term. (I don't, and the other disabled people I know don't - I'm sure there ARE people who mind the term, thus terms like "differently abled" which I've always found too silly to use.)

I'm sorry you have such negative feelings attached to the term disabled that you would prefer to see it attached to the ignorant though. :/

Well, actually I retract my last statement. It's not that I feel that we should change the meaning of disabled, it was more than I feel someone who is a close minded bigot is, in fact, more disabled than someone who cannot function normally. Because, frankly, they are disabling themselves. I, too, agree that differently abled is a little bit of a silly mouthful to be used when speaking of someone disabled. And it's not that I have negative connotations with the word disabled, just that I feel that it is sometimes construed very wrongly. Sometimes it is not, though. It depends on the people.

And I am sorry to have stated it in such a way that it wasn't clear, the first go around, what I was saying. I did not mean to ruffle feathers.

I'm not ruffled. :)

I do understand what you mean, that being willfully ignorant is more of a problem in every day life than some disabilities.

I know there are people out there who hear disabled and have an immediate extreme stereo type image, ablism sucks like that. I don't think changing the language helps as much as more education about disabilities and better inclusion of people with disabilities in everyday life would though.

And I agree with you. Which I think puts us at the end of the conversation. It was good talking to you!

"Differently Abled" always irked me. Oh, it'd be okay if it meant that being, say, wheelchair bound came with a trade-off super power - I can't walk, but I'm pyrokinetic and I can speak in colors. Now, THAT would be differently abled.

Disabled - lacking in an ability. Works pretty well, and is fairly objective.

Methinks morbidimpishfae and saiane probably agree more than they disagree and are having semantic issues, p'raps.

After all, in the states you have to fight damned hard to get the disabled label so that you can get the help you need, so it's understandable to be sensitive about it. But I believe saiane is trying to say that idiocy has a bigger effect on quality of life (esp. for the people around you!)

You are, I think, quite right. About pretty much your entire response. xD

That's peculiar, because last I heard mental retardation was a pretty serious disability. Now being an asshole, that doesn't get so much sympathy.

I make a distinction between stupid and mental retardation, which I'm well aware of being a serious disability. :P

Being developmentally disabled and being stupid aren't the same thing. I see what you're saying but that's kind of a silly connection to make, regardless of the point behind it.

Oh God, I can't stop the humourless whining. I'm sorry mods.

Mod apology from me as well. *sigh*

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