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Concerning Narnia
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rackstraw wrote in metaquotes
My fascinating friend, evergrey, had this alternative take on the theology behind 'The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe.'

I know C.S. Lewis was chistian and it was all symbolic, but I still say it seemed more Norse than christian. I mean, Between Odin and Jesus sacrificing themselves, which one would be more likely to have a crafty plan, come back, use the breath of life, wage war, and kill the enemy?

And the Santa claus, giving weapons as gifts, well...


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Heh, the Narnian Santa Claus is an arms dealer.

There could be a twisted version wherein Lucy stabs herself with the dagger and cures the wound with the potion repeatedly.

Hehe - I hadn't thought of it like that. Excellent.

Your friend has a...unique understanding of both Norse mythology and Christian theology. Odin hung himself on a tree to gain knowledge of the magical runes, not to take the place of someone else.

Charms and runes and all the names of all the gods. Good stuff, really. I'd almost be offended, if that wasn't such a funny mental image.

Lion Odin > Lion Jesus.

CS Lewis was an avid lover of norse mythology... hence his a jrr tolkeins club, the inklings, where they sat around and discussed icelandic poetry and norse mythology...

But santa-the-arms-dealer? ROFL! Never thought of it that way before...

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I never realised that Father Christmas giving people weapons is a bit worrying really! And all that killing the wolf and wiping the blood rite of passage thing (haven't seen the film yet no idea if that's kept in)...again with the worrying.


(haven't seen the film yet no idea if that's kept in)

It is.

But you know those christians. They'll steal from anybody. Rituals, ceremonies, holidays, deities, myths, values.... And then they slap a label on it and yell patent infringement.

You know, bigotry has many faces, and they're all equally ugly.

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Uhh..your two comments are not yet clear, here...

Santa was a jerk.

"Hey, dude, you get a sword! Rock on! And oh, it's the gurls. Here, you get um...some healing potion and a dagger. You get a bow and arrow. But gurls can't fight. So go off and get pregnant or someting."

Yeah, but they also get to spend more time with Aslan. And Lucy, the youngest and the girl, is the one who can see him most often. And I think they only deferred to Peter because he was the oldest, and the High King, not because he was a boy. They were both smart and clever on their own way, and it was a way that complimented and balanced out those of the boys. Neither ever did marry, either in Narnia or out. (Yes, Susan got dumb at the end of the series, but Edmund was dumb at the beginning.) I think it's a good balance, and the girls get their chance to shine as much as the boys do. Possibly more, even, because you don't see the huge fight in the book; Lewis shows Aslan bringing in the cavalry instead. (Have not yet seen the movie; don't know how that's played out.)

/ramblyrant

Short answer: It's much more balanced than other books written in the same era that I've read. There's more to being cool than having a shiny sword and killing things.

Also (this came up in a discussion about Narnia the other day), Jadis = Hel, Norse queen of the underworld, where those not cool enough for Valhalla went.

Think about it. Hel is half-human; Jadis is something that looks human but isn't. Hel rules over a land characterized by coldness; Jadis bathes the land in winter. Hel took in those who died a "straw death", those warriors who did not die in battle, but of old age on their beds; Jadis took in those who were similarly outcast and shunned by their betters.

I think literary analysis will never stop being a hobby of mine, and I am not an English major. Go me.

Except...Hel isn't an evil bitch. She's just doing her job.

IIRC, didn't Tolkien convert Lewis to Christianity after a long night of talking about how the Norse myths they both loved were basically forerunners of Christianity? Sort of like God's dress rehearsal, as it were.

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